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Last update : November 2011
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Land Banking Companies
Why the majority of them are (legal) scams
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WARNING: Worthless Land for Sale in -
- Brazil
- Turkey
- Cyprus
- Ukraine
- Caymen Islands
- Costa Rica
- Indonesia
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New Warning: Watch out for land for sale in sunny countries that comes with planning permission.
The scam right now is to sell these at greatly inflated prices, perhaps 300%-500% over their true value.
How can a company get away with this?
Simple, because most of the buyers won't do their own independent research instead relying on the charming salesmen for all their information and help...........
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- The Land Banking scammers have generally shifted tactics and now tend to promote offshore land as 'incredible investments'
- If it's Brazil, Turkey or Cyprus it will probably be holiday development land
- Coconut plantations in Brazil is also one of the recent cons
- If Ukraine it's likely to be farmland
- Teak plantations in Costa Rica and Biofuel land in Indonesia
- Please stop and think if you get called by these scammers because you're being setup with 100% certainty to buy something for say £10,000 that's probably worth nearer £100 (if indeed the scammers actually sell you the land, ever heard of fake paperwork?)
- DO NOT TRUST ANYBODY OR ANY FIRM THAT COLD CALLS YOU ABOUT AN INVESTMENT (land, stocks & shares, futures, options, Carbon Credits, or Gold mines etc)
- 99.9% of them are scammers and thieves, however polite, charming and knowledgeable they come across
If you're unsure about anything, and I mean anything, feel free to email me, Alex Green (apg@learnmoney.co.uk) and I will tell you if you're being setup or not.
- I don't charge
- I will never ask you for money, and
- I have nothing to sell you
Helping you to keep hold of your money and stop it being stolen by the scammers is my motivation.
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Stop and THINK!
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| Strangers do not call and offer easy money unless they're running a scam.......... |
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New Warning - For South Africans
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- South African companies are now in on the Land Banking Scam
- Same crap - cold calling, setting up a stand at a shopping Mall etc all saying how easy money can be made when the UK land is rezoned for planning
- Chances are you'll be told that UK law has recently been changed, before only 'UK Developers' were able to buy and develop land, now anyone can - THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE - REPEAT OUTRIGHT LIE
- If you're South African and are thinking of buying a plot of land (usually priced around £20,000) then only do so if you like to get conned and lose your money
- Sorry to be harsh, I'm being cruel to be kind :)
- Note: The salesmen will be good, they'll have an answer to every question you might ask but the reality is this - if you're not willing to do your own independent research you will lose all your money
STAY AWAY FROM FIRMS SELLING SMALL PLOTS OF LAND IN THE UK
As ever I'm here to help so please email me if you're unsure about anything. I'll make sure you don't get conned by the land banking scammers.
Alex Green - apg@learnmoney.co.uk
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| The sad truth is the plots of land sold by Land Banking firms have about a 1% chance of receiving planning permission over the next 20+ years. Although of course the land banking firm will give the impression that planning permission will soon be granted.
Land banking companies started appearing around the year 2000 and most if not all of these firms follow a similar business plan -
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- Agricultural land is presently priced around £3,000 an acre
- The land banking company will approach a farmer or landowner and offer to buy 5-20 acres at well over market rate which normally means they strike a deal
- The company will then split the land up into smaller parcels and try to sell them for around £7,500 - £25,000 per plot (1 plot is usually 0.1 of an acre)
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| But why would investors buy at such inflated prices - simple, because the land banking company will have convinced them that planning permission is sure to be granted within say 5 years and then the plots will have risen in value by 200% - 500%. |
| Do your own independent research - It's absolutely critical |
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One of the main reasons people fall victim to the land banking companies is because they don't do their own independent research and instead rely on the salesmen's advice. See secret number 2 - Do your own research - it won't take long which is part of this site's 10 Secrets to Good Personal Finance.
But relying on the salesmen to offer unbiased advice is the worst mistake a potential investor can make.
Think about it - it's in the best interests of these people to talk up the value of their land (remember, they already own it) to make the maximum profit. And if that means promoting half-truths and possibly saying outright lies to make the sale then so be it.
What's really scary about any potential lying is most companies will have a smallprint clause in their contract, perhaps similar to 'the company is not responsible for anything said by its salesmen during the sales process'.
Research advice
If I were thinking about buying some land I wouldn't listen to a word the salesmen say as their advice will be extremely biased into making the sale. Instead I'd contact some or all of the following:
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- The local Parish Council - Find who to speak to via the local council's website. Ask them about the land, its chances of being granted planning permission and if anything is known about the land banking company
- The local press - Land banking firms usually buy Green Belt land which they try to convince their clients has a good chance of being rezoned. As it's green belt land you can be sure the locals will be up in arms about it being developed and will protest. The local press are sure to pick up on this story so check with them
- The local estate/land agent - Try to a speak to a land agent rather than an estate agent and ask them about the land in question. Find out if they have any views on the piece of land and the land banking company. It is highly likely that they know all about the plot and its chances of ever getting planning permission
- The local council - contact the planning department and ask them what they know about the land. Often they will already have issued a statement usually along the lines of ''The prospects of the land's greenbelt status changing in the foreseeable future is highly unlikely' which is a polite way of saying 'no chance'
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| And finally use some common sense - never buy any land or property that you haven't physically seen. Yes, it sounds obvious but you'd be surprised how many people buy from pictures or a Google map. |
| Be wary - you're talking to professional salesmen |
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Probably your contact at the land banking company will have zero qualifications relating to property and the planning process. He will however be a skilled salesmen whether selling land, time shares, double glazing or sunbeds. The tricks and strategies for hard selling don't really change from product to product.
Also, bear in mind that it will be hard to catch the salesmen out as they'll all be talking from preprepared telephone scripts. So if you ask them an awkward question they'll have a standard reply ready and it is designed to sound plausible.
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| 10 signs you're being setup to buy very expensive land |
| Some more tips to help you keep hold of your cash and not fall prey to a land banking firm. If the company in question shares any of the similarities or points below then I'd strongly advise you not to get involved. |
- Great looking website - Good, professionally designed website and expensive glossy brochures
- Flashy company name - Often a flashy sounding name like 'The Consolidated Real Estate Partnership' - many land banking firms love to use the word 'partnership' in the company's name
- Website that tells you nothing- Look hard at the information on the website and it's odds-on it will tell you nothing about the company or its people. Te reason is simple - there is nothing to tell you about the company because it has no history so chances are all you'll see is official government press releases about how much housing is needed for the country etc
- Pushy salesmen - Extremely polite and seemingly knowledgeable salesmen. Although they can turn nasty if they spend time with you on the phone but then you decline their offer to invest). Plus, once they think you might be interested they will probably call many times a week
- Reserved plots of land - Very quick to say they'll 'reserve' you a plot of land often for as little as £100 - £500
- The price - The plots cost between £5,000 - £25,000 but chances are you'll be told that all the cheaper plots have been sold (they've got to create an illusion that this is a hot deal and you've got to be quick)
- Millions of new houses needed in the UK - On their website plenty of talk and news reports about how the UK needs 100,000s if not more houses every year - many of the sites make this point time and time again almost to the point of brainwashing
- Marketed to the man-in-the-street - Work out who the website is marketed to, ie large property investors/companies, institutions, or the man-in-the-street. If it's the latter then beware because sophisticated property developers and investors certainly would laugh at the company's claims
- Plenty of happy smiley people - Does the website have lots of flashy photos of smiley happy people, houses being built or architects hard at work - if so it's a big red flag
- Easy money for the little guy - The websites often promote that in the past only the very rich could make money out of property but now everyone can, including you!
- Does the company's address stack up - Many land banking firms don't want their clients to know where they're actually located so use a mail drop as their official address. So Google the address and if other companies come up in the results with the same address it's more than likely a mail drop. And this is yet another big red flag as respectable companies don't use mail drops
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| Watch out for fake 'Development Plans' |
One trick the land bank scammers love to play is the fake development plan.
So they produce images such as below showing how a development might look with plenty of plots already sold and some more to buy.
But it's all fantasy and complete rubbish. The sole aim is to try to fool the prospective purchaser into thinking the plots of land are worth something.
So if you happen to be talking to a firm about buying a plot of land and they produce something like this then you're being setup to buy worthless land with 100% probability.
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- Look below for another 'plan'
- Note how the plots are so close together, basically extremely unrealistic when viewed in the context of modern day developments and planning guidelines
- The real reason of course why the plots are so tightly packed is pure greed as the companies can earn more by selling more (worthless) plots.....
- If you ever see a plan like this or the one above - YOU'RE BEING SETUP TO BUY WORTHLESS LAND THAT HAS NO CHANCE OF GETTING PLANNING PERMISSION
- The sellers of course will refute this claim but as they're the present owners (they'll say they're not, but that's just another lie) why sell land to you and let you make all the money, why not keep the land themselves, apply for planning and then make a fortune?
- The reason as I've said countless times in this article is because the land has no chance of getting planning that is just the hook to scam people
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| The Asian community is often targeted |
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For some reason the land banking companies have aggressively targeted the Asian community (in the UK).
There are also many reports of land banking firms targeting investors in the Far East (specifically Malaysia) and the Middle East, (specifically Dubai). I would think they're trying to sell UK land plots to a combination of UK expats and foreign nationals.
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Common Sense alert -
Often the best way to shield yourself and your money from scammers is to use nothing but common sense.
So if you're located outside of the UK common sense suggests buying potential development land from people and companies you don't know without ever visiting the site in question is pure madness.
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| Land Banking Summary |
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For most investors dealing with a land banking firm will result in them losing the majority if not all their money. And I can't really put it simpler than that.
But readers can easily protect themselves from being taken in by following the guidelines and advice offered on this page.
Finally, pay special attention to the fact that in an extremely unusual move the Government agency, The Land Registry, has published a report warning about the dangers of buying potential development land from land banking firms.
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| Further research |
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Should you want to do further research into the land banking industry check out the following links:
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Got to Love It
LearnMoney.co.uk 1 : Scammers 0
This is an email I received recently from a 'Simon P' and it's just what this article is designed to do -
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Dear Learn Money
I am just sending this e-mail to thank you as i am convinced that your website could well have saved me from being robbed out of £10,000.
After having dealt with a land banking firm, I was almost bullied by kindness into buying a plot of land by a salesman in one of these land banking firms. The experience was bizarre to say the least.
To begin with he gave this full on flash pitch about how big the firm was, he then asked had i ever heard of certain aspects of the economy which of course i said no. This then gave him a reason to explain all this mumbo jumbo about the value of property and so on, there is no doubt these people are good they are the type that can talk for Britain and no doubt would sell you anything.
They also constantly address you by your first name as tough they knew you all your life and are extremely polite. The main issue during the call was trying to persuade me to send them money for the promise of a big return yet it was never explained exactly how this return would materialise.
They said they would send me on information which i agreed to which in hindsight was a massive mistake as this was taken that i was definitely interested, as they suggested that i send money that day as to not miss out on this hot deal. Well the information they sent looked the part no doubt but on closer inspection it had a clause in the small print that said "the land banking firm is not responsible for anything said by the salesman during the sales process"
just like you explained on you website" i cannot recall the rest of the details of the small print but it seemed completely at odds with what the salesman had given during the flash sales pitch, I'm no investment expert but i could smell a rat straight away.
Well after doing a bit of research i found your website, which i reckon saved me i was completely stunned as i must admit during the sales process i was almost taken in, I was left feeling that these people were depending on me and that i was letting them down and that i was an idiot for not investing. Your website ticked every box from polite but pushy sales men to mail drops the whole nine yards, I felt like you had been talking to the same sales man.
Well when i spoke to them again i told them that this kind of investment did not interest me i was told that my venture was already in process and was making money, he then said that he could reserve it for me which i refused to entertain, despite this they never offered any pictures or details of what i was actually buying well with my patience well worn i told them at least 4 times that this type of investment would not interest me.
Thinking this was the end of it i get another call a while later with the firm calling to "update" me on their new plots, I was absolutely seething with rage i felt that i was being stalked and bullied into investing, I never met people so hell bent on getting me to persuade with my cash, for me it verified everything that you had on your website and its for that reason that i send you my gratitude.
Many thanks
Simon P
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Last Updated: 30th January 2012
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